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You are confusing the thing with the category of the thing.

Religion the category is only a few hundred years old. The things that fall under that category go back at least as far as Neanderthal times.


The conceptualization of religion as a category, is actually quite a bit older. The idea that it was created recently was, well, created recently.[1]

Casadio details it going back thousands of years across cultures.[2]

[1] https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-religion/index.ht...

[2] https://api.pageplace.de/preview/DT0400.9780191045882_A29773...


it's an interesting point, and i don't think it can be resolved quite so neatly. to the people building such monuments, or writing such texts, the activity may have been closer to what we now refer to as "history" or "natural philosophy" (or even "civic infrastructure").

the fact that _now_, we have independent traditions referred to by those terms, and so categorize the ancient practices under "religion" is quite confusing, and it may be productive to make the distinction clear.

for a modern example, suppose we build a skyscraper in such a way that it lines up with, or reflects the setting sun on the solstice. we would regard this as "architecture", not "religion". i would be quite offended if, some thousand years from now, the aesthetic decision is dismissed as primitive superstition.


> i would be quite offended if, some thousand years from now, the aesthetic decision is dismissed as primitive superstition.

Why? I can't imagine being offended if people today, ignorant of the true motivations, dismissed it as primitive superstition, let alone a thousand years from now when I'm long dead.


look on my works, ye mighty, and dismiss them as mere superstition.

did the use of the word "offended" trigger this comment? fine, then i would not take offense. my point is this:

i prefer to be remembered by a future that feels it can learn something from the past. it would be sad to me to find out that the people of tomorrow do not regard my contributions.


cf. "The Map is not the Territory"

What?

Wikipedia says similar [1]:

> The concept of "religion" was formed in the 16th and 17th centuries. Sacred texts like the Bible, the Quran, and others did not have a word or even a concept of religion in the original languages and neither did the people or the cultures in which these sacred texts were written

That said, GrowingSideways is mistaken. He is confusing the thing with the category of the thing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_religion


> or even a concept of religion in the original languages

IMO this and the sources it cites are wrong. A huge chunk of the Old Testament is about how God had to keep sending prophets to tell the Israelites to stop worshipping other deities. So while they may not have had a single word that was equivalent to 'religion,' they clearly possessed the same concept. They would just use the phrase "worshipping other gods."


Indeed.

There are many texts written in the Greek or Roman antiquity that compare the religions of various nations known to them, i.e. which compare their beliefs about their "gods" and their methods for worshiping or for praying.

There are entire books written about such subjects, e.g. "De natura deorum" ("The nature of gods") by Cicero.

The ancient people usually did not have a precise word with the definite meaning that "religion" has today, mainly because religious practices were intermingled with most of their daily activities, so there was not a very clear separation between religion and other things.

For example, a treatise on agriculture, besides explaining how to prepare the soil and how to select the seeds for sowing, would also give the text of a prayer that should address a certain god before or after the sowing, so that it will be successful. Similarly for any other activities where divine help was believed to be necessary.

Nevertheless, they had the concept of religion and they were able to distinguish things that were related to gods from unrelated things.




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