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One of the many reasons I'm still at Apple. My manager honors my decisions (sometimes, let's be honest, with gritted teeth).

("People don't leave jobs, they leave managers")



Yep. There are many, many teams at Apple. Your manager makes all the difference in the world. Hated working on the Photos team at Apple, loved all the other teams I worked on. (So I left the Photos team to go work on a team where the manager was cool. I was able to stay at Apple, just move about.)


I don't dispute that. I wish I had been on a better team. My team had a famously high turnover rate, so it wasn't just me. I liked my direct manager just fine, he's a decent dude, but I thought his manager, who I had to deal with a lot, was kind of a dumbass and I did not enjoy working with him at all.

I tried joining other teams but without going into elaborate detail it didn't pan out.


one tactic is forming a group which bullies a manager out of their job. it's depressingly effective and rife within the professional public sector


I'm in public service, teach me you ways XD


It only works versus good managers.


I normally move within a company when I want to quit a manager. It's much easier than getting an entirely new job usually. And you have a lot more information about the potential role.

It's also a good way to get into areas you have no experience of.


I tried that, multiple times actually. My options were already pretty limited because I didn't want to move to California, and without going into elaborate detail I the interviews for other teams just didn't work out.




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